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Is evolutionary theory too narrowly defined?

No, I have no doubts that evolutionary theory as it stands is right on target.

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Yes, I have heard discussion involving what other forms life could perhaps take.

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No scientifically informed person could actually believe in a being made of light or fundamental energy.

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I do find this discussion regarding other possible forms of life interesting and valuable.

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Do you know anything about the rate at which evolution occurs? WHY don't you believe all of this evolution could have occurred in this time? Speciation occurs on a daily basis with highly hybridizable plant species. So if plants can evolve into a new species literally within one generation, a new species that is fully capable of reproducing, and hybridizing with other similar plants, thereby increasing the number of possible species that can be created by its offspring, why can't a similar event have occurred on a greater scale than these hybrid rings? A large-scale event where speciation was rampant and new species were evolving left right and center? Oh wait... that was the Cambrian explosion... Where we see a tremendous increase in the diversity of life on the planet, one of those instances of punctuated equilibrium i mentioned earlier.

Your concept of a being built of fundamental energy is beyond my realm of opinion. I don't think it would work, but I'm not sure.

But I'm not sure I'm ready to trust your opinion on the evolution side, creationresearch doesn't necessarily sound like a resource I would cite for a biology paper.


Hi Nitz: You do make excellent points here. Nobody had ever given me a valid explanation of how evolution occurs that I considered to be logical until I read the theories of Dr. Chaim Tejman. I was watching a documentary today about how Charles Darwin and his fellow naturalists developed the first theory of evolution. I cannot deny that an astonishing amount of change within a species does occur on an amazingly rapid basis here and yes, what has been done with plants is a good example.

The THC levels in pot going from about 2% back when I was a deeply religious but backslidden kid to about twenty to thirty percent these days certainly does come to mind.

For the record I lean heavily toward legalization in some form as being probably the most effective way to take pot out of the hands of organized crime who according to Pastor Glen Allen apparently have even taken to spiking pot with crystal meth to get kids hooked fast!

I wonder who will be the first to bite on that one?!



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We can and do simulate protein folding on computers, though it does take an immense amount of processing power. People in the field suspect it will lead to major breakthroughs in Alzheimer's and Huntington's very soon. A friend of mine who is doing his PhD in Genetics at UBC passed this link along to me in the summer: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2009/06/15/what-is-folding-a nd-why-does-it-matter/1
This is a long way from knowing how life comes about, but it's interesting.

Speaking of proteins, have they yet decided how viruses came about? The last I heard they weren't too sure except that they were self-contained strands of RNA.



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Psst. Don't bother.


True, they are probably wasting their time if the goal is to convince me that we humans are almost certainly the most intelligent , energetic and powerful life forms in the universe!

On the other hand, I actually do believe in evolution and finally I can understand that a powerful case can be presented that the higher dimensional beings around us may well have been using some sort of evolutionary process, at least some of the time.

http://grandunifiedtheory.org.il/book/life1.htm
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The essential matter from which our universe is created is energetic matter. It behaves like living matter, creating every known entity, including living objects and even thought (which occurs through energetic matter–wave interaction). The essential structure of energetic matter is high-energy (concentrated energetic matter) electro-magnetic waves (picture above). This simple structure is the basis of everything: every energetic formation and the universe. In picture 2, we see that the DNA (double helix) of all living formations has the same structure as waves: two loops of the same energetic matter, behaving according to the same rules.


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Wave theory suggests that inorganic and organic creations are one entity of nature (see picture, below). Perhaps, the result of the energetic activity of hydrogen and oxygen creates water on our planet. It may be that the Earth alone can continuously create life formations. This process is very delicate and may be easily spoilt. Nature has worked for millions of years to generate the myriad of links in this symbiosis. We must try not to change this unbelievable, beautiful, ingenious creation, but must only attempt to discover, study and appreciate it. Energetic matter creates structures beyond our imagination; our planet is, perhaps, only one of these creations. On other planets, living formations may have other shapes.


Now this does make sense to me partly because Dr. Tejman does not dogmatically rule out the mysterious. Dr. Tejma was shocked one time when he presented his ideas to a class of Chassidic Jews. Instead of utter disbelief in his ideas they seemed quite open to his explanations.



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Jimmy Big Ears wrote:
Lance Uppercut wrote:
We can and do simulate protein folding on computers, though it does take an immense amount of processing power. People in the field suspect it will lead to major breakthroughs in Alzheimer's and Huntington's very soon. A friend of mine who is doing his PhD in Genetics at UBC passed this link along to me in the summer: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2009/06/15/what-is-folding-a nd-why-does-it-matter/1
This is a long way from knowing how life comes about, but it's interesting.

Speaking of proteins, have they yet decided how viruses came about? The last I heard they weren't too sure except that they were self-contained strands of RNA.


This page by Dr. Tejman linking cancer cells as well as virus with wave theory may be about as good an idea on how virus came about as anybody has!

http://www.grandunifiedtheory.org.il/cancer/origin1.htm

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Various enzymes within the cell are charged with regulating this entire process. The enzymes collaborate to maintain and supervise the internal mechanism that controls the absorption and expulsion of energy in the body. However, for various reasons, this system is occasionally skewed by a defective enzyme, or by a DNA molecule that fails to disintegrate and gets stuck in the metabolism. The trapped DNA attracts superfluous amounts of energy. Consequently, it is stronger than normal DNA and begins to usurp all the energy from its vicinity, which disrupts the normal cycle of the metabolism. The super-energetic DNA and its attendant cell mechanism lack the ability to revert to their normal formation, and the DNA begins to expel energy by replicating into other highly-energetic strands of DNA. As expected, these strands align into a closely linked network of highly energetic chains that resembles a ball of yarn. On account of their abundant energy, the chains are now able to penetrate the lymph and blood vessels, where they hunt for rich sources of energy and cause extensive damage. Furthermore, the super DNA chains continue to metastasize, and the new chains also join in the hunt for energy.

This deadly cycle, then, represents the outbreak of cancer. The reckless DNA chains continue to swallow as much energetic matter as possible. Moreover, the excessive levels of energy prevent the new DNA from undergoing differentiation. It resembles a very “primitive” entity, such as a black hole, as it creates and then expels other primitive — yet extremely virulent — virus-like entities that similarly resemble black holes. The only objective of a maverick DNA is to wrest control over as much energy as possible from its surroundings in order to continue to exist, but ultimately its lethal attack on its host brings about its own demise as well. This stems from the fact that its sole function is to wipe out organisms that fail to adapt to nature (natural mutation and natural selection). If the body fails to assist in the “rehabilitation” process, it will be destroyed as well. The intensity of the aggression obviously depends on the particular area of the helix in which the enzyme was damaged.



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Since this made it to two pages.

FUCK YOU ALL YOU DUMBFUCKING MORONS WHY THE FUCK DO YOU EVER REPLY TO DENNIS TATE ANYMORE PLEASE STOP SPAMMING HIS THREADS BECAUSE THEY ARE ENDLESS THREADS OF DUMBSHITTERY.

Thank you.



 
 
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Jimmy Big Ears wrote:
This is a long way from knowing how life comes about, but it's interesting.

Speaking of proteins, have they yet decided how viruses came about? The last I heard they weren't too sure except that they were self-contained strands of RNA.


The purpose isn't to find the origins of life, it's to find out how and why specific proteins (APP in the case of Alzheimer's) improperly fold. Dennis' extremely out of date reference suggested it couldn't be done at all, but it's being done currently even with microcomputers. The origins of life are somewhat inconsequential to those at risk of or suffering from chronic/terminal illness.

Viruses aren't really my area of expertise but it's my understanding that there are 3 theories, a couple of which relate to what you described and another that suggests they arose from parasitism. I will do no justice to explaining the theories but I've heard good things about this book: http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/bookdescription.cws_home/678606/descr iption#description from people who are much more in the know about molecular and evolutionary biology than I am.

Edit: pedal: You are right. I am sorry for contributing to this catastrofuck.



 
 
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Ah, ok. I see where you're going. I thought the whole thing had to do with the start of evolution somehow.
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Since this made it to two pages.

FUCK YOU ALL YOU DUMBFUCKING MORONS WHY THE FUCK DO YOU EVER REPLY TO DENNIS TATE ANYMORE PLEASE STOP SPAMMING HIS THREADS BECAUSE THEY ARE ENDLESS THREADS OF DUMBSHITTERY.

Thank you.
This from the guy who irrelevantly posted that hippotrauma drawing but actually took the time to repost it? Whose basic reason to be here is being a wiseass?

Some people post things by accident, others do it on purpose. While I don't follow most stuff here either I'm not sure you can claim superiority here.



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Jimmy Big Ears wrote:
pedal2000 wrote:
Since this made it to two pages.

FUCK YOU ALL YOU DUMBFUCKING MORONS WHY THE FUCK DO YOU EVER REPLY TO DENNIS TATE ANYMORE PLEASE STOP SPAMMING HIS THREADS BECAUSE THEY ARE ENDLESS THREADS OF DUMBSHITTERY.

Thank you.
This from the guy who irrelevantly posted that hippotrauma drawing but actually took the time to repost it? Whose basic reason to be here is being a wiseass?

Some people post things by accident, others do it on purpose. While I don't follow most stuff here either I'm not sure you can claim superiority here.


Because Hippotrauma /was intentionally irrevelant/.

Dennis is basically repeatedly bringing up topics that are so ignorant yet long that people are lured into discussion.

Initially I was happy. No one replied to this thread. It was almost down the page. And then Rogue, you and Chesty chimed in.

Here is how these threads go.
"I Present a long winded argument about something completely irrelevant and obviously false but provide a few websites which conveniently say something similar."

"I can't pass up the opportunity to reply to such an easy target! I have to say something!"

"I present a long winded argument about something completely irrelevant and obviously false but provide a few websites which conveniently say something similar."

repeat. It's not even good discussion. The Church thread, the Chancellor thread, the Marriage and Strike threads all have relevant topics, good points and decent discussions. This is garbage, and everything Dennis posts is garbage. So, please, stop debating this. Just let him believe what he wants and move on with our lives so that we can look at topics that matter (slightly) more.



 
 
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Worried this is going to scroll some other hot topic of discussion off the page?



 
 
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Worried people are going to take time constantly making me open this by posting in it and thus wasting not only their time replying but my time clicking it.



 
 
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It must be tough to have no self-control.



 
 
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It must be tough to be on that time of the month.



 
 
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I don't get it, what does that joke mean. Is this to do with rent time? I hate rent time.



 
 
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pedal2000 wrote:
It must be tough to be on that time of the month.
It suddenly makes sense to me that you run the video game society.



 
 
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Nitz wrote:
I don't get it, what does that joke mean. Is this to do with rent time? I hate rent time.


Strike Time.

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It suddenly makes sense to me that you run the video game society.


It suddenly makes sense to me that you're being unnaturally mean. I'm just being a troll. Normally you take it so much better <3



 
 
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pedal2000 wrote:
Since this made it to two pages.

FUCK YOU ALL YOU DUMBFUCKING MORONS WHY THE FUCK DO YOU EVER REPLY TO DENNIS TATE ANYMORE PLEASE STOP SPAMMING HIS THREADS BECAUSE THEY ARE ENDLESS THREADS OF DUMBSHITTERY.

Thank you.


Hey Pedal2000: OK, I admit it. I do tend to believe that an atheist who is dogmatic is their assertions that abiogenesis and evolution are more likely to have occurred in four dimensional space time, as opposed to eleventh, tenth or ninth dimensional space time, is lacking in basic mathematical aptitude.

Not only that, they probably have essentially zero comprehension of the almost obvious implications of the eye witness accounts of people who have had an out of the body experience during a brush with death.

Pedal, please consider this scenario to begin to get a grasp on what the beings of light may well be up to. Let's imagine that YHWH The Father, YHWH the Mother aka The Ruach ha Kodesh/The Holy Spirit, aka, Wisdom who was with YHWH from the beginning come up with an elaboarte plan to save both Pastor John Hagee as well as President Obama.

Let's speculate that John Hagee has a brush with death first. During his NDE experience Pastor Hagee may take to laughing uncontrollably due to the fact that he has finally begun to glimpse the off the scale brilliance that he has been dealing with all along but he didn't know it.

.....Let's fast forward to the year 2060, President Obama is saved but has passed on to a better place and is having one of his regular meetings with Jesus/Yahushua. Jesus seems depressed and President Obama asks him why? Jesus tells him that he really misses Pastor John Hagee. He tells President Obama that Pastor Hagee had an addiction to old reruns of Dallas due to his obsession over Victoria Principal. Pastor Hagee has been sizzling away in hell since his untimely demise!

President Obama is shown some footage of Pastor Hagee being quite undignified while watching an episode of Dallas in the summer of 2010.

Jesus/Yahushua then asks President Obama if he would like to help him get Pastor Hagee saved?

President Obama readily agrees, he would do anything to help his best friend ever to recover from this depression.

Voila, President Obama acts as if he is lost and is now with John Hagee in a place where SuperStrings are perceived as living worms and Super Force and/or Super Energetic Matter are perceived as off the scale unbelievable heat.



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Although Pastor Hagee, feels horribly lost he perks up when he recognizes President Obama visiting him in hell during his NDE in 2060. They talk a lot to each other and President Obama tells Pastor Hagee that when he first met Jesus, Jesus showed him all those times that Pastor Hagee had prayed for him fervently. This is why President Obama is allowed to visit Pastor Hagee there. Those two have been connected by every time that Pastor Hagee sincerely prayed for the man that to some degree he considered an opponent.

President Obama refers to each and every word that Pastor Hagee uttered sincerely on his behalf. He keeps on telling Pastor Hagee that he immensely appreciates all those times that he had prayed for him. Pastor Hagee tells President Obama that he had heard of cases where even in a negative NDE some people had been granted to live again and had been saved from hell. Atheist Howard Storm is one of the most outstanding examples of this happening.

President Obama's NDE experience results in President Obama being sent back to the earth much like Howard Storm. President Obama accepts Jesus as Mashiach the Passover Lamb in his life at a whole new level and turns hundreds of left wing thinkers to a fervent relationship with Jesus after his NDE.

Nineteen thousand, five hundred and eighty three years pass by. Jesus/Yahushua asks President Obama in one of their regular meetings in heaven if he would like to find out a few details regarding that meeting with Pastor Hagee in his NDE that had had such a powerful effect on his life?

President Obama says yes, and finds out that Pastor Hagee, after going on to glory, had volunteered to act as if he was burning in hell in order to save certain people during their negative NDE's.

We are living in an age when it is finally possible to recognize how nothing that we see with our eyes or hear with our ears, or for that matter what we do not see with our eyes or do not hear with our ears, should be taken for granted as being all that is going on around us.

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The implications of film making and whether or not YHWH might have thought up such a psychological device previous to our doing so could not be understood properly until our time period.

In a sense I believe that Jesus/Yahushua was like an actor submitting his rendition of Mashiach the Passover Lamb according to how well that role could be done at his time. To me, Jesus/Yahushua's rendition was vastly more than merely academy award winning, but not everybody feels the same way that I do.

http://www.near-death.com/storm.html

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Before his near-death experience, Rev. Howard Storm, a Professor of Art at Northern Kentucky University, was not a very pleasant man. He was an avowed atheist and was hostile to every form of religion and those who practiced it. He often would use rage to control everyone around him and he didn't find joy in anything. Anything that wasn't seen, touched, or felt, he had no faith in. He knew with certainty that the material world was the full extent of everything that was. He considered all belief systems associated with religion to be fantasies for people to deceive themselves with. Beyond what science said, there was nothing else.



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Lock wrote:
It must be tough to have no self-control.


But then again who could possibly blame Pastor Hagee for having a thing for Victoria Principal!?



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Jimmy Big Ears wrote:
Ah, ok. I see where you're going. I thought the whole thing had to do with the start of evolution somehow.
pedal2000 wrote:
Since this made it to two pages.

FUCK YOU ALL YOU DUMBFUCKING MORONS WHY THE FUCK DO YOU EVER REPLY TO DENNIS TATE ANYMORE PLEASE STOP SPAMMING HIS THREADS BECAUSE THEY ARE ENDLESS THREADS OF DUMBSHITTERY.

Thank you.
This from the guy who irrelevantly posted that hippotrauma drawing but actually took the time to repost it? Whose basic reason to be here is being a wiseass?

Some people post things by accident, others do it on purpose. While I don't follow most stuff here either I'm not sure you can claim superiority here.


Pedal is a guy!!!!!!!??????

I thought for sure she was a girl!!!!????



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Lock is agirl. They're often both so negative their hard to tell about though.



 

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