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No, I have no doubts that evolutionary theory as it stands is right on target. |
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Yes, I have heard discussion involving what other forms life could perhaps take. |
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No scientifically informed person could actually believe in a being made of light or fundamental energy. |
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I do find this discussion regarding other possible forms of life interesting and valuable. |
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Senther wrote: Way too many posts here,
I feel like someone beat you to this thought on page 2. pedal2000 wrote: Since this made it to two pages.
FUCK YOU ALL YOU DUMBFUCKING MORONS WHY THE FUCK DO YOU EVER REPLY TO DENNIS TATE ANYMORE PLEASE STOP SPAMMING HIS THREADS BECAUSE THEY ARE ENDLESS THREADS OF DUMBSHITTERY. Thank you. |
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Senther
Xtalk Drifter Joined: 29 Jun 2006 Posts: 2296 Location: The Deadlights ![]() ![]() votes: 42 View user's profile |
You need to leash your negativity. Consider this: 3-Dimensional math as in length, width and height are erroneous when applied within a Cube like room for they do not account for the 4-corner perspective dimensions of difference as in '4-dimensional space'. Solar system, Earth sphere and human body all have a front, back and 2 sides which rotate between the 2 top and bottom poles - ceiling and floor parameters. No single corner human can occupy or experience more than a single corner at the same time during a 4-corner rotation within the 4/16 creation principle. Earth sphere rotates within an invisible Time Cube. Unseen, humans have not the education or rationale to comprehend Nature's Simultaneous 4-Day Cube. _________________ To avoid complications, she never kept the same address In conversation, she spoke just like a baroness |
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dilly_sam wrote: DennisTate wrote: Apparenlty with an extra ten percent expenditure the buildings in Haiti could have been made so that at least they would not collapse and kill people in the event of a large quake!
Was that 10% total, or does it include the baksheesh? If by baksheesh you mean bribes, I think that the ten percent estimate was before appropriate bribes! Apparently an economist named Rober Babson wrote a book in 1928 predicting a depression based on the formula that when more than fifty percent of business deals in an economy are fraudulent then the economy is about to go into a slump. Babson was certainly correct in his prediction regarding a depression. His theory sure does make sense because obviously if we expect to get ripped off we will be much more hesitant to spend and stimulate the economy. Bernie MadeOff did more than he would tend perhaps to think to wreck our economy. _________________ And he said: Behold, it is one people, and all have one tongue: and they have begun to do this, neither will they leave off from their designs, till they accomplish them in deed.(Genesis 11:6) |
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Senther wrote: You need to leash your negativity. Consider this: 3-Dimensional math as in length, width and height are erroneous when applied within a Cube like room for they do not account for the 4-corner perspective dimensions of difference as in '4-dimensional space'. Solar system, Earth sphere and human body all have a front, back and 2 sides which rotate between the 2 top and bottom poles - ceiling and floor parameters.
No single corner human can occupy or experience more than a single corner at the same time during a 4-corner rotation within the 4/16 creation principle. Earth sphere rotates within an invisible Time Cube. Unseen, humans have not the education or rationale to comprehend Nature's Simultaneous 4-Day Cube. Impressive post Senther! I think that I will read this one again when I get the chance but for the moment I should link you into my new blog that puts my more relevant thoughts on this topic. I could be wrong but one of the negative near death experience or out of the body visionary accounts that I read about made me wonder if this person had beheld fundamental energy primordial soup out of which YHWH evolved out of? If so, it is no wonder that YHWH admits to having quite a temper and seems to admit to being in need of some anger management in the latter days! http://www.drbo.org/chapter/26048.htm Quote: 1 And Elias the prophet stood up, as a fire, and his word burnt like a torch.
Quote: 9 Who wast taken up in a whirlwind of fire, in a chariot of fiery horses. 10 Who art registered in the judgments of times to appease the wrath of the Lord, to reconcile the heart of the father to the son, and to restore the tribes of Jacob
http://carbonbias.blogspot.com/ Dogmatic Atheists Lack Mathematical Aptitude. Quote: There were other creatures in the sea of fire that looked like huge worms. They would come to the surface and then disappear and then return to the surface. About 20 feet from him he saw them coming to the surface and they were coming towards him. When they reached him they began boring into him and went inside his body and brain and were coming out of his eyes. They were driving him insane. (where the worm dieth not) There is no end to these things in hell. They are eternal. There is no place to go for any relief. There is no love there. It is totally void of love. An emptiness beyond comprehension enveloped him.
In many ways I hope like hell that I am wrong but I have wondered if the mentality of selfishness has an almost quantum effect on our psychology making it possible for somebody in an over the top all time worst negative NDE to be able to shrink their consciousness so small that they view/perceive Super Strings as worms and the astonishingly high energy levels of the fundamental dimensions as soul ripping heat. If YHWH indeed evolve out of a rotten neighbourhood this terrible an eternity ago then no wonder he has anger issues when we fail to appreciate how awesome our wives and children and friends really are!? We should be thinking that despite their problems our family and friends are a phenomenal amount of fun when compared with those damn worms/SuperStrings!? _________________ And he said: Behold, it is one people, and all have one tongue: and they have begun to do this, neither will they leave off from their designs, till they accomplish them in deed.(Genesis 11:6) |
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Well, I'm done. I'll say this one last time Dennis, as I say it everytime, and your posts never seem to pay heed. Concrete evidence. These theories have none. Peer-reviewed, is a word you should look for. And even if it is reviewed, break that down, how did the peers review it? The Bible is not an acceptable source in any research article done by one of the physical sciences. Any time a research article contains a reference from the bible, that's a pretty big red flag to questionable science. It'd be like me citing maddox to prove that the titanic didn't sink. You've sucked me in. Fuck. |
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Nitz wrote: It'd be like me citing maddox to prove that the titanic didn't sink. That was an april fool's post. A more appropriate analogy would be be, it would be like me citing maddox to prove that fire trucks are hairy. |
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I was referring mostly to his hilarious scale model that would pass for science here. EDIT: Metal > ICE also my initial post should have included the government conspiracy part. |
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Nitz wrote: Well, I'm done. I'll say this one last time Dennis, as I say it everytime, and your posts never seem to pay heed.
Concrete evidence. These theories have none. Peer-reviewed, is a word you should look for. And even if it is reviewed, break that down, how did the peers review it? The Bible is not an acceptable source in any research article done by one of the physical sciences. Any time a research article contains a reference from the bible, that's a pretty big red flag to questionable science. It'd be like me citing maddox to prove that the titanic didn't sink. You've sucked me in. Fuck. OK, so what is wrong with the following statements? http://www.near-death.com/experiences/research08.html Quote: Scientific knowledge is always in a state of flux. New scientific discoveries come along and overthrow long-held hypotheses. A good example is the attempt by humanity to explain the phenomenon of light. Ancient religious texts around the world associated light with divine consciousness from which everything, including all other consciousness, originated. Before the dawn of science, humanity relied on religious experience and philosophy to understand light and the cosmos. Then Isaac Newton came along and theorized that light is composed of particles. Further scientific discovery overthrew this theory and led to the theory of light as a wave. When the photoelectric effect was discovered, the wave theory was ultimately overthrown which led to the "quantum" theory of light as a particle AND a wave. Interestingly enough, this duality corresponds with a current mathematical theory of chaos which may explain how consciousness might be both a part of the whole and the entire whole of a single non-localized consciousness.
Science has yielded some very unusual discoveries about light. The energy of light is infinite. Light was pervasive at the beginning of the universe. All matter is light (electromagnetic radiation). Time stops at the speed of light. This means that if you could travel at the speed of light, you could travel anywhere in the universe and live forever (never age). The speed of light is constant for all observers regardless of their relative speed or direction. Light particles can communicate with each other. Human observation transforms light waves into light particles to experience reality. Humanity's scientific discovery of the nature of light is the cornerstone of modern physics and natural law. It is also the cornerstone of NDE research and consciousness research. _________________ And he said: Behold, it is one people, and all have one tongue: and they have begun to do this, neither will they leave off from their designs, till they accomplish them in deed.(Genesis 11:6) |
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There's lots wrong with that. It uses light as the penultimate force that binds all things in the universe, contradicting modern scientific paradigms that say that energy is the penultimate force. Toward the end of the second paragraph they are just straight up lying to you. Any source OTHER than this cite will show you that, This is why I'm telling you about "bad sources". Quote: The energy of light is infinite.
What he hell does this even mean? Light is a form of energy, energy isn't a property of light. You can't have light without energy. Quote: Light was pervasive at the beginning of the universe.
What? Prove it. Quote: All matter is light (electromagnetic radiation).
Here we go. All matter is not light. electromagnetic radiation is what light is, yes, but that is just a form of energy. Matter has properties that cause either the absorption or reflection of light, which is why we perceive objects of different colours, because of this variation in the absorption qualities of certain things. No before you ask "but where does all this energy go?" The law of conservation of eneergy says it doesn't go anywhere, it's just transformed into a different form (i.e. the sun heats up your dashboard, the light energy has been transformed to heat energy). Quote: Time stops at the speed of light. This means that if you could travel at the speed of light, you could travel anywhere in the universe and live forever (never age).
The author apparently just thought that this was neat? I guess it's one of the only actual truths in this paragraph, so there's a plus. It's currently untestable, though. Quote: Human observation transforms light waves into light particles to experience reality.
Human observation of light causes a deformation in the rhodopsin pigment of the eye, which causes a hyperpolarization event, transducing the light energy into electrical signals that are then sent to the visual cortex of our brains, which allow us to "see" light, or at least visible light.. Light energy is transformed into electrical energy which our brain then perceives as colours, objects, movement, etc. Not once in this process is light transformed into light particles. And the sloppy writer of this article knows that, as he stated in his first paragraph that Isaac Newton's light particle theory was disproved and the "light as a wave" mindset was embraced. So we basically either have him openly stating that he chooses to use research from 400 years ago instead of today's science, or the author feeding us horseshit and expecting us to applaud and shake his hand Since this author has chosen to ignore the research of so many bright minds and the damning evidence that points away from light being the source of all energy, I choose to ignore his inane ramblings. I feel like an X-talker now. |
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Nitz wrote: I feel like an X-talker now.
Making sense, taking an argument apart piece by piece, staying on topic....nope not yet sorry bud. |
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Chesty LaRue
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Carbon _________________ Who said that?! |
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Nitz wrote: There's lots wrong with that. It uses light as the penultimate force that binds all things in the universe, contradicting modern scientific paradigms that say that energy is the penultimate force. Toward the end of the second paragraph they are just straight up lying to you. Any source OTHER than this cite will show you that, This is why I'm telling you about "bad sources".
Quote: The energy of light is infinite.
What he hell does this even mean? Light is a form of energy, energy isn't a property of light. You can't have light without energy. Quote: Light was pervasive at the beginning of the universe.
What? Prove it. Quote: All matter is light (electromagnetic radiation).
Here we go. All matter is not light. electromagnetic radiation is what light is, yes, but that is just a form of energy. Matter has properties that cause either the absorption or reflection of light, which is why we perceive objects of different colours, because of this variation in the absorption qualities of certain things. No before you ask "but where does all this energy go?" The law of conservation of eneergy says it doesn't go anywhere, it's just transformed into a different form (i.e. the sun heats up your dashboard, the light energy has been transformed to heat energy). Quote: Time stops at the speed of light. This means that if you could travel at the speed of light, you could travel anywhere in the universe and live forever (never age).
The author apparently just thought that this was neat? I guess it's one of the only actual truths in this paragraph, so there's a plus. It's currently untestable, though. Quote: Human observation transforms light waves into light particles to experience reality.
Human observation of light causes a deformation in the rhodopsin pigment of the eye, which causes a hyperpolarization event, transducing the light energy into electrical signals that are then sent to the visual cortex of our brains, which allow us to "see" light, or at least visible light.. Light energy is transformed into electrical energy which our brain then perceives as colours, objects, movement, etc. Not once in this process is light transformed into light particles. And the sloppy writer of this article knows that, as he stated in his first paragraph that Isaac Newton's light particle theory was disproved and the "light as a wave" mindset was embraced. So we basically either have him openly stating that he chooses to use research from 400 years ago instead of today's science, or the author feeding us horseshit and expecting us to applaud and shake his hand Since this author has chosen to ignore the research of so many bright minds and the damning evidence that points away from light being the source of all energy, I choose to ignore his inane ramblings. I feel like an X-talker now. Nitz, I have to admit that this is indeed an exceptional post on this topic. I thank you! On the other hand I know that I am asking valid questions here that one could certainly ask regarding what it may have been like for intelligent life to originate and evolve in an environment of pure energy possibly in a universe that is no where nearly as vast as what exists now? A trillon or a thousand trillion years ago was DennisTate rather like one of those worms that Dr. Michael Yeager saw in his kind of scary vision? Could there have been a time when YHWh was rather like Dr. Yeager who was scared of all the worms coming at him who would go in and out of him? A trillion trillion years ago could YHWh have been like the leading worm of an infinite number of worms moving around within whatever parameters movement could take them at that time? Could a valid analogy be drawn to how maybe much like a worm/SuperString I keep chasing YHWh around in order to keep up as closely as I can to what He/She is up to now? Could what Dr. Yeager experienced about worms going in and out of him be a bit like what God experiences when we ask questions about YHWH such as What the hell is going on in this universe anyway? Why does YHWH allow violence and evil to exist? I am reminded of those studies where people were taken back thousand of years under hypnosis and they kept on seeing and perceiving life times that were profoundly educational. One of the most unusual accounts I read about was of a woman who saw life as a cave woman. She stated that the women and children of that lifetime had a profound appreciation for the men who would go out into an extremely violent world where apparently they often got eaten by Sabre Tooth tigers or raptors or other ferocious creatures. That particular account was not in Dr. Wambach's book but it sure did fit with what she found. I wonder what her subjects would have seen and recounted if taken back a trillion years rather than merely 4000 as she usually did? Para-psychology may be annoying to many people but those who take it seriously certainly do tend to conclude that there is some validity to the weird and the unusual. (Warning, I have quoted this following webpage previously but it is certainly relevant to this topic. I recently found another copy of Dr. Wambach's first book at the used book store in Antigonish and I would be surprised if anybody could read her study and not be at least a little shocked. Her books are available on Amazon.): http://www.carolmoore.net/articles/helenwambach.html Quote: Initially motivated by a desire to debunk reincarnation, beginning in the mid-1960s, Helen Wambach conducted a 10-year survey of past-life recalls under hypnosis among 1,088 subjects. She asked very specific questions about the time periods in which people lived and the clothing, footwear, utensils, money, housing, etc. which they used or came in contact with. Wambach concluded found peoples' recollections to be amazingly accurate and wrote that ''fantasy and genetic memory could not account for the patterns that emerged in the results. With the exception of 11 subjects, all descriptions of clothing, footwear, and utensils were consistent with historical records.''
Victor Zammit describes Wambach's research thus: By doing a scientific analysis on the past lives reported by her 10,000 plus volunteers she came up with some startling evidence in favor of reincarnation: • 50.6 % of the past lives reported were male and 49.4 % were female — this is exactly in accordance with biological fact. • The number of people reporting upper class or comfortable lives was in exactly the same proportion to the estimates of historians of the class distribution of the period. • The recall by subjects of clothing, footwear, type of food and utensils used was better than that in popular history books. She found over and over again that her subjects knew better than most historians — when she went to obscure experts her subjects were invariably correct. Her conclusion was: 'I don't believe in reincarnation — I know it!' (Wambach 1978). In Life Before Life Dr. Wambach described the results of hypnotizing another 750 people and taking them to the time between their past and current lives. One of her most controversial findings was that people have some choice in their current lives and that the disembodied consciousness or soul does not enter the body until near birth. "The soul usually enters the body near birth, and has a choice of which fetus to enter. If one fetus is aborted, it is possible to choose another. In some cases, the soul who will occupy the fetus, is in contact with the soul of the mother, and can influence her decision regarding abortion." Dr. Wambach found that 89% of those hypnotized said they did not become part of the fetus until after six months of gestation. A large group said they did not join the fetus, or experience inside it, until just before or during the birth process. They existed fully conscious as an entity apart from the fetus and even after six months many reported being 'in' and 'out' of the fetal body. "Many subjects reported that the onrush of physical sensations on emerging from the birth canal was disturbing and very unpleasant. Apparently the soul exists in a quite different environment in the between-life state. The physical senses bring so much vivid input that the soul feels almost 'drowned' in light, cold air, sounds. Surprising to me was the frequent report that the new-born infant feels cut off, diminished, alone compared to the between-life state. To be alive in a body is to be alone and unconnected. Perhaps we are alive to learn to break through the screen of the senses, to experience while in a body the transcendent self we truly are." Dr. Wambach found that a certain number of people she hypnotized actually saw into future lives. What they saw concerned her--a devastated and depopulated world. So in the early 1980s, Dr. Wambach decided again to apply systematic methods. She did a huge study that involved over 2,500 people undergoing hypnotic future life progression. _________________ And he said: Behold, it is one people, and all have one tongue: and they have begun to do this, neither will they leave off from their designs, till they accomplish them in deed.(Genesis 11:6) |
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Chesty LaRue wrote: Carbon
OK, actually you do have a point! In order for life to get better and better we had to be allowed freedom to explore the worst possible states of consciousness. Atheist Howard Storm in his extensive NDE reported meeting beings that were like the worst possible humans imaginable but robbed of any vestige of mercy or compassion for others (specifically Howard). If such a totally selfish state of mind was not permitted to exist then we could I suppose not appreciate genuine altruism so well when we do encounter it. http://www.near-death.com/experiences/storm01.html Quote: Finally, I told them that I wouldn't go any farther. At that time they changed completely. They became much more aggressive and insisted that I was going with them. A number of them began to push and shove me, and I responded by hitting back at them.
A wild orgy of frenzied taunting, screaming and hitting ensued. I fought like a wild man. All the while it was obvious that they were having great fun. It seemed to be, almost, a game for them, with me as the center-piece of their amusement. My pain became their pleasure. They seemed to want to make me hurt by clawing at me and biting me. Whenever I would get one off me, there were five more to replace the one. By this time it was almost complete darkness, and I had the sense that instead of there being twenty or thirty, there were an innumerable host of them. Each one seemed set on coming in for the sport they got from hurting me. My attempts to fight back only provoked greater merriment. They began to physically humiliate me in the most degrading ways. As I continued to fight on and on, I was aware that they weren't in any hurry to win. They were playing with me just as a cat plays with a mouse. Every new assault brought howls of cacophony. Then at some point, they began to tear off pieces of my flesh. To my horror I realized I was being taken apart and eaten alive, slowly, so that their entertainment would last as long a possible. At no time did I ever have any sense that the beings who seduced and attacked me were anything other than human beings. The best way I can describe them is to think of the worst imaginable person stripped of every impulse to do good. Some of them seemed to be able to tell others what to do, but I had no sense of any structure or hierarchy in an organizational sense. They didn't appear to be controlled or directed by anyone. Basically they were a mob of beings totally driven by unbridled cruelty and passions. During our struggle I noticed that they seemed to feel no pain. Other than that they appeared to possess no special non-human or super-human abilities. I guess if there are beings like this around us in an invisible space time dimension this would sure help to explain the holocaust, the massacre of the Tutsi in Rwanda or the unbelievably evil manner in which we professing Christians murdered nine million women who we accused of being witches! I guess as food must be processed and eliminated we all face some thought patterns that we need to eliminate as well. _________________ And he said: Behold, it is one people, and all have one tongue: and they have begun to do this, neither will they leave off from their designs, till they accomplish them in deed.(Genesis 11:6) |
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You're the only person I like posting in these debates with Dennis, because we disagree so strongly on these things and you never lose your temper. I can tell you're interested in the stuff, and the theories you're trying to portray can usually be found postulated in peer-reviewed articles, or even full papers. I just have a problem with the sources you use when you try to make these arguments, and that they're almost never reliable. Try using google scholar instead of just google to filter out some of the fluff? You're sources just usually don't convey their point in a very convincing way, is all; i.e. they can be laden with fallacies that sound like they're right just because of clever wording. |
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dilly_sam wrote: Nitz wrote: I feel like an X-talker now.
Making sense, taking an argument apart piece by piece, staying on topic....nope not yet sorry bud. Yup, Nitz definitely wrote a good counter argument and that one by Senther still has me scratching my head too! So far I have concluded that Senther may have a much better grasp of the fundamentals of this question than I do! Regarding Nitz's problems with the manner in which the author writes this article my first impression is that perhaps the more one studies this question the harder it may become to differentiate between energy/light and consciousness itself!? Einstein stated that infinite smallness was just as possible theoretically as infinite bigness. Could a cell in my liver have a level of consciousness comparable to what is going on in my head as I figure out how to reply to these posts! http://www.near-death.com/experiences/research08.html Quote: Thankfully, quantum theory is allowing new paradigms to take flight such as the theory that the basic building block of the universe is not matter but consciousness itself. This transcendent view of consciousness also is found in ancient religious texts. It is also found in recent scientific studies on prayer which show that hospital patients benefit from the prayers of strangers even when they aren't aware that someone is praying for them. These studies have been interpreted by researchers to be an indication that consciousness behaves much like a magnetic field which can be affected by other magnetic fields.
The old paradigm of observing, theorizing, and predicting doesn't work very well when studying light and consciousness - especially when it concerns NDEs. It also allows "paradigm cops" to dismiss NDEs as being caused by brain anomalies even though the cause of NDEs is not relevant to whether the experience is real or not. Nevertheless, recent studies have ruled out brain anomalies. The old paradigm denies a whole range of valid experiences including those described in ancient religious texts. It is this paradigm of the West that vehemently disregards out-of-body realms of consciousness. Albert Einstein, the father of the new paradigm, may have the old paradigm in mind when he said, "All knowledge of reality starts from experience and ends in it." The new paradigm suggests that we don't merely experience reality; we create reality with our minds. And if minds can transcend physical bodies and experience clear visions of verified events which they could not have possibly experienced under the old paradigm, then it is time to abandon the old paradigm and focus on the new one. This became even more obvious when in December of 2001, Dr. Pim van Lommel published an article in The Lancet, the United Kingdom's highly respected journal of medicine, about a study he conducted showing that 18 percent of clinically dead patients recalled having a NDE. He also documented verified events that were experienced by patients from a perspective removed from their bodies. Verified evidence of a transcendent consciousness? Survival after death? So where's the confetti and streamers? Why is there mostly silence from the scientific community at large about it? Here's why. Let's hope NDE veridical evidence isn't largely ignored by the scientific community as it has been with scientific evidence of reincarnation. When Dr. Ian Stevenson completed a study and published his findings in a book entitled Twenty Cases Suggestive of Reincarnation (1967), he provided outstanding scientific reasoning which concluded that reincarnation is the only viable explanation that fits the data he collected. He considered every possible alternative explanation considering twenty cases of children who were spontaneously able to describe a previous lifetime as soon as they learned to talk. Stevenson ruled out each alternative explanation using one or more aspects of his cases. Later research supported his case in favor of the existence of reincarnation. His study is reproducible and anyone who doubts the validity of his study can repeat it for themselves. But because of the old paradigm, this great scientific discovery will remain generally ignored by the scientific community and the world. So until the new paradigm is firmly established, reincarnation and the transcendental nature of consciousness will continue to be considered the greatest scientific discoveries of all time by those who can see the quantum light with quantum eyes The first article that I ever read regarding the NDE accounts appeared in Psychology Today back in 1989. The author seemed to be in something of a state of shock at what was being reported but they quoted studies that sure seemed to back up the NDE accounts. The article referred to cases where a blind near death experiencer who had been unable to see since a child could accurately remember all the colors in the room where they were revived. _________________ And he said: Behold, it is one people, and all have one tongue: and they have begun to do this, neither will they leave off from their designs, till they accomplish them in deed.(Genesis 11:6) |
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Quote: Einstein stated that infinite smallness was just as possible theoretically as infinite bigness.
I find this quote interesting because in essence, we do have an inifinite smallness. I remember a teacher demonstrating for us in grade school that if she kept walking halfway toward the door she'd never leave the room, astounding us kids in the process. Thinking about it, if matter just keeps growing infinitely, it doesn't grow out of existence. This same concept can be applied to the reverse. Scientists are finding smaller and smaller things everyday, just like we're constantly discovering new objects in outer space. one could say that infinite bigness goes from 1 to infiniti, and that inifinite smallness goes from 1 to 0. The only difference is what side of the decimal you're on. |
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Chesty LaRue
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The trick is to be infinitely small and large at the same time, so that you cancel out and become nothing. Nothing = Everything _________________ Who said that?! |
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This explains this thread: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfAzaDyae-k |
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Nitz wrote: Quote: Einstein stated that infinite smallness was just as possible theoretically as infinite bigness.
I find this quote interesting because in essence, we do have an inifinite smallness. I remember a teacher demonstrating for us in grade school that if she kept walking halfway toward the door she'd never leave the room, astounding us kids in the process. Thinking about it, if matter just keeps growing infinitely, it doesn't grow out of existence. This same concept can be applied to the reverse. Scientists are finding smaller and smaller things everyday, just like we're constantly discovering new objects in outer space. one could say that infinite bigness goes from 1 to infiniti, and that inifinite smallness goes from 1 to 0. The only difference is what side of the decimal you're on. Well said Nitz. I certainly could be wrong but I strongly suspect that this somehow ties in with what those scientists discovered as they studied what appeared to be an emotional response from plants as they were threatened. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_Life_of_Plants Quote: The Secret Life of Plants (1973) is a book by Peter Tompkins and Christopher Bird, described as "A fascinating account of the physical, emotional, and spiritual relations between plants and man."
The book explores the idea that plants may be sentient, despite their lack of a nervous system and a brain, an idea not supported by mainstream biology. This sentience has purportedly been observed through changes in plants' conductivity, as through a polygraph, as pioneered by Cleve Backster. _________________ And he said: Behold, it is one people, and all have one tongue: and they have begun to do this, neither will they leave off from their designs, till they accomplish them in deed.(Genesis 11:6) |
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Chesty LaRue wrote: The trick is to be infinitely small and large at the same time, so that you cancel out and become nothing. Nothing = Everything
A good friend of mine once emphatically stated to me: "Dennis, NOTHING is absolute!" He repeated this again two times. It is interesting but Tom Harper in his book Life After Death referred to a certain type of experiment that took place during the '60's that resulted in some of the highest IQ's ever recorded. Ordinarily apparently there is only one 200 IQ level genius in a population of one hundred million. Those experiments often produced off the scale results within rather ordinary volunteers. Chesty, I have the funny feeling that you may have done a few experiments of your own over the years haven't you? I do have the feeling that you may have at least some grasp of how your statement that appears to be mere sarcasm, could actually hold within it an astonishing truth. The fact is that the entire vast universe, 97% of which we cannot even observe, may in fact be somehow made out of absolutely nothing! In one sense it could be argued that the net energy of the universe is actually zero. Some form of intelligent design theory apparently dominates among cosmologists and astronomers. I suspect that the same will be the case within physics, chemistry and biology in less than a century. _________________ And he said: Behold, it is one people, and all have one tongue: and they have begun to do this, neither will they leave off from their designs, till they accomplish them in deed.(Genesis 11:6) |
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