Back to TheU.ca
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Banned Users List
Usergroups
RSS Feeds
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log inTheU.ca Forum Index - General Discussion - Teacher Strike? - Reply to topic
Goto page Previous 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 Next
|
Jimmy Big Ears
X-talk mobster  Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 3256 Location: St. Francis Xavier University    votes: 38 View user's profile |
Cormier does any professor (union rep or something) actually read that contract? A lot of it is bound to be tedious legalese. The numbers do look like salaries - I thought it was including benefits based on the number sizes but forgot to account for inflation. Does this mean that pay does or does not vary from department to department? These numbers look intended to be across-the-board. How do they measure excellence in teaching and HQ Personnel ? Research I can see being easier to measure. _________________ "Ah, sleek vigilant puma. Principal of the mountains." -Seymour Skinner. |
|
Jimmy Big Ears wrote: Cormier does any professor (union rep or something) actually read that contract? A lot of it is bound to be tedious legalese. The numbers do look like salaries - I thought it was including benefits based on the number sizes but forgot to account for inflation. Does this mean that pay does or does not vary from department to department? These numbers look intended to be across-the-board.
How do they measure excellence in teaching and HQ Personnel ? Research I can see being easier to measure. It's across the board. HQP isn't something that the university measures; it's a characteristic that NSERC (and, I suppose, other granting agencies) want. It doesn't appear in or apply to our contract. Excellence in teaching is in part evaluated by the course evaluations students fill in, as well as (sometimes) classroom visits by the evaluating committee, the development of new courses, labs and other teaching tools, other information from students, and so forth. It is, however, a tricky thing to accurately evaluate, since how well something was taught might not be apparent until much later. And yes, we do read the contract,. At the very least, people look at the part that applies to them. Chairs and administrators, obviously, need to be cognizant of the conditions of employment of all their staff. |
|
Jimmy Big Ears
X-talk mobster Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 3256 Location: St. Francis Xavier University votes: 38 View user's profile |
Does the union have a legal counsel for the tricky points? Just wondering. _________________ "Ah, sleek vigilant puma. Principal of the mountains." -Seymour Skinner. |
|
Jimmy Big Ears
X-talk mobster Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 3256 Location: St. Francis Xavier University votes: 38 View user's profile |
Taking Inflation Into Account I made columns for the proposed Professor salary scales using nominal dollars plus columns for inflation of 2.2%, 2.5% and 2.8%. ......... Nominal................. ...........................Factoring Inflation Of 2.2% Year.... AUT Offer ....... StFX Offer ........... AUT Offer ....... StFX Offer 1 ....... $65,884.00 ....... $63,181.00 ........... $65,884.00 ....... $63,181.00 2 ....... $68,442.00 ....... $65,422.00 ........... $66,968.69 ....... $64,013.70 3 ....... $70,849.00 ....... $67,663.00 ........... $67,831.58 ....... $64,781.27 4 ....... $73,276.00 ....... $69,904.00 ........... $68,645.02 ....... $65,486.13 5 ....... $75,703.00 ....... $72,145.00 ........... $69,392.02 ....... $66,130.63 6 ....... $80,526.00 ....... $79,173.00 ........... $72,224.02 ....... $71,010.51 7 ....... $83,133.00 ....... $81,581.00 ........... $72,957.19 ....... $71,595.16 8 ....... $85,741.00 ....... $83,989.00 ........... $73,626.18 ....... $72,121.73 9 ....... $88,348.00 ....... $86,397.00 ........... $74,231.73 ....... $72,592.46 10 ..... $90,956.00 ....... $88,805.00 ........... $74,777.90 ....... $73,009.50 11 ..... $93,564.00 ....... $91,213.00 ........... $75,266.17 ....... $73,374.94 12 ..... $96,171.00 ....... $93,620.00 ........... $75,697.98 ....... $73,690.04 13 ..... $98,779.00 ....... $96,028.00 ........... $76,077.09 ....... $73,958.34 14 ..... $101,855.00 ...... $101,741.00 ......... $76,757.48 ....... $ 76,671.57 15 ..... $104,630.00 ...... $104,303.00 ......... $77,151.38 ....... $ 76,910.26 16 ..... $107,406.00 ...... $106,866.00 ......... $77,493.47 ....... $ 77,103.86 17 ..... $110,181.00 ...... $109,429.00 ......... $77,784.38 ....... $ 77,253.49 18 ..... $112,956.00 ...... $111,991.00 ......... $78,026.85 ....... $ 77,360.26 19 ..... $115,731.00 ...... $114,554.00 ......... $78,222.84 ....... $ 77,427.30 20 ..... $118,506.00 ...... $117,117.00 ......... $78,374.24 ....... $ 77,455.62 21 ..... $121,282.00 ...... $119,679.00 ......... $78,483.51 ....... $ 77,446.19 22 ..... $124,057.00 ...... $122,242.00 ......... $78,551.13 ....... $ 77,401.90 23 ..... $126,832.00 ...... $124,804.00 ......... $78,579.48 ....... $ 77,323.02 24 ..... $129,607.00 ...... $127,367.00 ......... $78,570.20 ....... $ 77,212.27 25 ..... $132,382.00 ...... $129,930.00 ......... $78,524.91 ....... $ 77,070.46 26 ..... $135,157.00 ...... $132,492.00 ......... $78,445.16 ....... $ 76,898.39 27 ..... $137,933.00 ...... $135,055.00 ......... $78,333.02 ....... $ 76,698.59 28 ..... $140,708.00 ...... $135,055.00 ......... $78,188.81 ....... $ 75,047.54 29 ..... $143,483.00 ...... $135,055.00 ......... $78,014.51 ....... $ 73,432.04 30 ..... $146,258.00 ...... $135,055.00 ......... $77,811.48 ....... $ 71,851.31 Factoring Inflation Of 2.5% ........... Factoring Inflation Of 2.8% AUT Offer ....... StFX Offer ........... AUT Offer ....... StFX Offer 1 $65,884.00 ....... $63,181.00 ........... $65,884.00 ....... $63,181 .00 2 $66,772.68 ....... $63,826.34 ........... $66,577.82 ....... $63,640 .08 3 $67,435.10 ....... $64,402.62 ........... $67,042.08 ....... $64,027 .28 4 $68,044.05 ....... $64,912.81 ........... $67,450.07 ....... $64,346 .17 5 $68,583.18 ....... $65,359.81 ........... $67,786.10 ....... $64,600 .19 6 $71,173.25 ....... $69,977.40 ........... $70,140.77 ....... $68,962 .27 7 $71,685.33 ....... $70,347.04 ........... $70,439.26 ....... $69,124 .23 8 $72,130.92 ....... $70,657.03 ........... $70,670.27 ....... $69,226 .22 9 $72,511.32 ....... $70,910.04 ........... $70,835.64 ....... $69,271 .36 10 $72,831.05 ...... $71,108.68 ........... $70,940.35 ....... $69,262 .70 11 $73,092.05 ...... $71,255.45 ........... $70,986.81 ....... $69,203 .11 12 $73,296.23 ...... $71,351.99 ........... $70,977.36 ....... $69,094 .64 13 $73,447.71 ...... $71,402.18 ........... $70,916.49 ....... $68,941 .46 14 $73,887.69 ...... $73,804.99 ........... $71,133.12 ....... $71,053 .51 15 $74,049.50 ...... $73,818.07 ........... $71,080.85 ....... $70,858 .70 16 $74,160.14 ...... $73,787.29 ........... $70,979.32 ....... $70,622 .46 17 $74,220.67 ...... $73,714.10 ........... $70,829.94 ....... $70,346 .52 18 $74,234.12 ...... $73,599.93 ........... $70,636.04 ....... $70,032 .59 19 $74,202.77 ...... $73,448.12 ........... $70,400.16 ....... $69,684 .18 20 $74,128.79 ...... $73,259.93 ........... $70,124.72 ....... $69,302 .80 21 $74,014.88 ...... $73,036.62 ........... $69,812.64 ....... $68,889 .92 22 $73,861.84 ...... $72,781.21 ........... $69,464.97 ....... $68,448 .67 23 $73,672.23 ...... $72,494.23 ........... $69,084.45 ....... $67,979 .82 24 $73,447.93 ...... $72,178.53 ........... $68,673.13 ....... $67,486 .25 25 $73,190.75 ...... $71,835.09 ........... $68,232.96 ....... $66,969 .13 26 $72,902.41 ...... $71,464.94 ........... $67,765.82 ....... $66,429 .62 27 $72,585.13 ...... $71,070.63 ........... $67,273.99 ....... $65,870 .31 28 $72,239.45 ...... $69,337.20 ........... $66,758.21 ....... $64,076 .17 29 $71,867.45 ...... $67,646.05 ........... $66,220.62 ....... $62,330 .91 30 $71,470.62 ...... $65,996.15 ........... $65,662.79 ....... $60,633 .18 _________________ "Ah, sleek vigilant puma. Principal of the mountains." -Seymour Skinner. |
|
You messed up the dots for lines 13 in stats 1 and line 9 in stats 2. This just threw the whole thing off for me. If it's not in perfect symmetry, it shouldn't be posted. _________________ Banned till the end of time just isn't long enough. |
|
At year 23 i thionk... why does inflation start going down... Also i'm eager to see what happens... may get a longer break! |
|
Chesty LaRue
X-Talk Pervert  Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 4166 Location: Up Yours  votes: 29 View user's profile |
Playonpics.com wrote: At year 23 i thionk... why does inflation start going down...
Also i'm eager to see what happens... may get a longer break! I'd be pissed about wasting my tuition on a strike semester, but that's just me. _________________ Who said that?! |
|
Jimmy Big Ears
X-talk mobster Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 3256 Location: St. Francis Xavier University votes: 38 View user's profile |
Playonpics.com wrote: At year 23 i thionk... why does inflation start going down...
Inflation does not go down year to year in those columns but the nominal increase in salary decreases somewhere close to 2/3 of the way. After a few years itdrops below inflation so the real value of the salary decreases - it happens in different years depending on the inflation column and whether you are looking at the AUT offer and StFX offer.
Also i'm eager to see what happens... may get a longer break! StFX sent around an email saying that the university and the AUT have asked the Minister of Labour for a conciliator, so it may be resolved with arbitration. _________________ "Ah, sleek vigilant puma. Principal of the mountains." -Seymour Skinner. |
|
so any update? i've been checking the site, and theres no new news... i wonder if it has been solved for monday classes. |
|
Jimmy Big Ears
X-talk mobster Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 3256 Location: St. Francis Xavier University votes: 38 View user's profile |
I'm not sure - I've been waiting to hear about this too. _________________ "Ah, sleek vigilant puma. Principal of the mountains." -Seymour Skinner. |
|
one of my prof indicated that the union members had voted in favor of a strike should the need arise. |
|
Jimmy Big Ears
X-talk mobster Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 3256 Location: St. Francis Xavier University votes: 38 View user's profile |
It was more of a bargaining move than anything, I think. Did everybody get the email that repeated their move toward arbitration? _________________ "Ah, sleek vigilant puma. Principal of the mountains." -Seymour Skinner. |
|
If the university has to pay more for professors won't they just have less professors and increase class size to financially compensate? _________________ Growing old is mandatory; growing up is optional. |
|
Lock
Russia's greatest love machine  Joined: 09 Jul 2009 Posts: 752 Location: The wrong place votes: 6 View user's profile |
I think there are probably other options. |
|
Jimmy Big Ears
X-talk mobster Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 3256 Location: St. Francis Xavier University votes: 38 View user's profile |
The professor-to-student ratio will be affected by lots of things, including relative salary increases vs inflation, given revenues from government funding, endowment funding, donations, tuition etc. and what they do with other expenditures. So the answer is that it is not impossible but there isn't reason to assume that. _________________ "Ah, sleek vigilant puma. Principal of the mountains." -Seymour Skinner. |
|
J-Mae wrote: If the university has to pay more for professors won't they just have less professors and increase class size to financially compensate?
Or not spend our dollars on buildings we aren't even free to use as students? *cough cough Coady, KMC etc* Why can't students rent rooms in the KMC for student orientated events for free? We paid out of our tuition for it. The rest were donations, we had no choice, they did. Same with the SUb, the new Coady buildings, etc. If the rooms are sitting empty and unused, and many of them are at certain points during hte day why not us? |
|
Did anyone attend the meeting at the SUB regarding the teachers strike? Any new info released? _________________ Hi, I'm Troy McClure. You might remember me from such self-help videos as "Smoke Yourself Thin", and "Get Confident, Stupid" |
|
Jimmy Big Ears
X-talk mobster Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 3256 Location: St. Francis Xavier University votes: 38 View user's profile |
Just that they hate every ape they see. _________________ "Ah, sleek vigilant puma. Principal of the mountains." -Seymour Skinner. |
|
pedal2000 wrote: J-Mae wrote: If the university has to pay more for professors won't they just have less professors and increase class size to financially compensate?
Or not spend our dollars on buildings we aren't even free to use as students? *cough cough Coady, KMC etc* Why can't students rent rooms in the KMC for student orientated events for free? We paid out of our tuition for it. The rest were donations, we had no choice, they did. Same with the SUb, the new Coady buildings, etc. If the rooms are sitting empty and unused, and many of them are at certain points during hte day why not us? Funny story here. You can use the KMC rooms for free if it is for a society event, I know for a fact you can because it has happened. They arent going to just let some student have it because they want to play video games on the fucking projector, watch a movie, throw a party so they dont have to clean their house, etc. I see people studying in rooms at the sub all the time (in the mackay lounge, council chambers, the other rooms as well on the 4th floor. You can use the Coady building but its locked on the weekends. Do you just complain about things that you assume arent being done? The gym is closed overnight too, your pay tuition to that as well why not complain about that while you are at it. |
|
Funny story here, according to the management at the KMC if I wanted to book a room to run a charity gaming event as a society it would cost me. Lots. of. Money. I have asked. I don't just assume, I have talked to both the management of the SUB and the KMC. The Sub wants upwards of 200 dollars.  Albeit this was last year, but given the information in the Presidents pack suggested paying for the Sub again.
And no, again, according to Conference Services it will cost me money to rent the Coady building rooms or to use them for an evening. Feel free to give them a call and let me know if they tell you differently, but at the moment, what I am complaining about is what I am told directly by the people who say they're in charge of it. |
TheU.ca Forum Index - General Discussion - Teacher Strike? - Reply to topic
