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Anyone go to the meeting tonight/ I couldn't do to class.. |
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Senther wrote: I live 25 minutes from campus (not for the first time) and I've never taken the van, as I feel it's helping a few at expense to many.
Such a bad reason! It is available to help everyone...I would guess the majority of students do not have cars. Drivehome provides early evening grocery runs as well as a ride any place you need to go at night. Some people dont feel safe walking. I think it's more effective than a walkhome service would be. Also, some students live really far away and come to rely on it. Not to mention, safety after too much at the inn or pub. |
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God dammit Pedal... Stop throwing this thread off course like Frig... No one gives a shit about drive home... They stopped to normal reason. Shit was dangerous, so they got off the road. End of story... Again Strike! Talk! Now! Fack. |
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Senther
Xtalk Drifter  Joined: 29 Jun 2006 Posts: 2296 Location: The Deadlights    votes: 42 View user's profile |
pedal2000 wrote: You're not the only one with sources, you're just the only one talking with Bias.
Pull your head out of your ass. You don't even know what the contentious issues are; what do you honestly expect? You want me to say "My, what a big-boy opinion you have! Here's a cookie!"? I'm sorry, but when your idea of a discussion on this subject (which is one generating several times the volume of this thread in content daily, obviously unseen by you) is to spout banal generalities like "Unions work for the good of their members!", do you really expect me to take you seriously? Hell, the janitor has provided more useful discussion on what is actually going on, and I'm typically just trying to stay off his kill-list. That last is complete truth, actually, (though the existence of a kill-list is speculation on my part) so I don't have any interest in the eye-rolling, baffling attempts to come off as in-the-know that are sure to follow. If someone has details from what was said at the meeting tonight, I second the request for hearing them. cabot wrote: Senther wrote: I live 25 minutes from campus (not for the first time) and I've never taken the van, as I feel it's helping a few at expense to many.
Such a bad reason! It is available to help everyone... I'm not trying to discourage Drive Home, I just can't justify it to my own conscience. _________________ To avoid complications, she never kept the same address In conversation, she spoke just like a baroness |
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ya i just got a letter form a friend. and supposely not many poeple showed up and they want the student to relay together to put presure on the admin/aut... I'm sorry but this is fucking dumb... there isn't any strike and already theses extremist are out there freaking out and saying. Yes let band together and bitch and whinne... "Hey dumbass! Thats what your STUDENT UNION does!" i'm sorry but i've seen a few group on facebook now and this next thought coming from the meeting tonight to group together fack that... Let TheU cover the issue for 2 weeks. If shit fails then, we will figure something out... But for the moment CHILL out and stop making facebook groups. |
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I'm not sure I even understand that post, but the SU is in a tricky position in this situation. Really all they can do is encourage the two sides to get back to the bargaining table, and they can't be seen to publicly favour one side or the other. The York Federation of Students (SU equivalent there) caught hell for openly supporting the TA/RAs when they were on strike last year because the perception was that it helped prolong/justify the labour stoppage. That's partly why I think the Facebook group supporting the AUT is counterproductive. The Student Union is important in this matter, but probably not as much as the voices of individual students. |
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Jimmy Big Ears
X-talk mobster  Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 3256 Location: St. Francis Xavier University  votes: 38 View user's profile |
Senther wrote: I confess my innate dislike of unions may have been biasing me. It relieves me to hear that I've been characterizing them wrong, as your description means that they must be the kind of organization that would call a vote when one is demanded by its members. I hereby apologize, as clearly I've been mislead as to how they've been conducting themselves, and I will now fully support them as they embrace their democratic calling. I'm curious; what rule change would you propose? How often would votes have to be taken, or would you change it so that the union couldn't pre-authorize a strike?Quote: Hell, the janitor has provided more useful discussion on what is actually going on, and I'm typically just trying to stay off his kill-list. I thought you graduated; are you back temporarily?Quote: I'm not trying to discourage Drive Home, I just can't justify it to my own conscience. Environmental reasons, safety reasons or expense reasons?
_________________ "Ah, sleek vigilant puma. Principal of the mountains." -Seymour Skinner. |
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Playonpics.com wrote: God dammit Pedal... Stop throwing this thread off course like Frig...
No one gives a shit about drive home... They stopped to normal reason. Shit was dangerous, so they got off the road. End of story... Again Strike! Talk! Now! Fack. ... That was Cabot 
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Senther wrote: pedal2000 wrote: You're not the only one with sources, you're just the only one talking with Bias.
Pull your head out of your ass. You don't even know what the contentious issues are; what do you honestly expect? You want me to say "My, what a big-boy opinion you have! Here's a cookie!"? No, I'm good. I can buy my own cookies. I do expect you to mature the fuck up and post intelligently like you normally do. Not to post idiotic replies like you've been doing so far. Honestly most of the students I've talked to about a strike have been in support, if only for a few days to catch up. Quote: The York Federation of Students (SU equivalent there) caught hell for openly supporting the TA/RAs when they were on strike last year because the perception was that it helped prolong/justify the labour stoppage.
Really? I didn't hear much from that. Hell from who? |
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Jimmy Big Ears
X-talk mobster Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 3256 Location: St. Francis Xavier University votes: 38 View user's profile |
A Joint Statement by the StFX Association of University Teachers and StFX University February 16th, The negotiating teams for the StFXAUT and StFX University have reached a tentative collective agreement. The agreement has been approved by the StFXAUT Executive and will be recommended to the Membership. The agreement is subject to the approval of the StFXAUT membership by means of a ratification vote. A date for a meeting of the Members and a vote will be announced shortly. A media blackout is in place until the outcome of the ratification vote is known. _________________ "Ah, sleek vigilant puma. Principal of the mountains." -Seymour Skinner. |
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Is this the final meeting taking place on february 17th? Because if so, I was under the impression from one of my profs that this "tentative agreement" is just a formality, a "last chance to back out" negotiation from the school. |
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Nitz wrote: Is this the final meeting taking place on february 17th? Because if so, I was under the impression from one of my profs that this "tentative agreement" is just a formality, a "last chance to back out" negotiation from the school.
They have to vote on it, if the vote passes its over if not back to the tables. |
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pedal2000 wrote: Quote: The York Federation of Students (SU equivalent there) caught hell for openly supporting the TA/RAs when they were on strike last year because the perception was that it helped prolong/justify the labour stoppage.
Really? I didn't hear much from that. Hell from who? Somewhat obviously from the only people they're accountable to, the students. Essentially YFS passed a motion supporting CUPE, then as the strike dragged on a group of thousands of students who organized online pushed for the recall of the entire executive. They got very close to the 5000 petition signatures needed to boot the entire executive (IIRC), and probably were more influential in actually getting the Ontario government and both sides to listen to student voices than the YFS. Some of their website stuff is still up at http://www.yorknothostage.com/ Hopefully for the sake of the students at X who actually care about their education and the classroom instruction time they paid for, this tentative agreement is fair for both parties and is accepted. |
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Don't nobody get too excited, it might be a bluff. |
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Jimmy Big Ears
X-talk mobster Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 3256 Location: St. Francis Xavier University votes: 38 View user's profile |
Nitz the prof could be right but they might just be saying what they want to be true; what impression does the prof give? It is pretty annoying when people do that with info but it's common. _________________ "Ah, sleek vigilant puma. Principal of the mountains." -Seymour Skinner. |
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Senther
Xtalk Drifter Joined: 29 Jun 2006 Posts: 2296 Location: The Deadlights votes: 42 View user's profile |
pedal2000 wrote: I do expect you to mature the fuck up and post intelligently like you normally do.
I call bullshit. I haven't posted an intelligent reply in 4 years, and have no intentions of starting now. Hell, I'd change my avatar to Bob Kelso if I wasn't scared of losing Vampire Tesla forever. Also, FYI, AJ has surprisingly sympathetic feelings wrt the students here. The More You Know... _________________ To avoid complications, she never kept the same address In conversation, she spoke just like a baroness |
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Jimmy Big Ears wrote: Nitz the prof could be right but they might just be saying what they want to be true; what impression does the prof give?
It is pretty annoying when people do that with info but it's common. They try to give us an objective view, as they're no part of the union. Basically I acknowledge that what I'm hearing is all hearsay, but they seemed pretty unexcited about this "going back to the table", saying that it's a pretty common thing to see before the 2 week wait is up. In about 2 days we'll know if I/he/she am/was talking out of my/his/her ass |
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Jimmy Big Ears
X-talk mobster Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 3256 Location: St. Francis Xavier University votes: 38 View user's profile |
That's a lot of asses for one person to talk out of. I see a potential circus act with such talent. _________________ "Ah, sleek vigilant puma. Principal of the mountains." -Seymour Skinner. |
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