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Jimmy Big Ears
X-talk mobster  Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 3256 Location: St. Francis Xavier University    votes: 38 View user's profile |
Unions can be good or not so good. Not having a union can also not be so good. Depends on the union, the place, and the time. This one (the AUT) seems to do fairly well for their members - the question is, are they being reasonable? What is reasonable? _________________ "Ah, sleek vigilant puma. Principal of the mountains." -Seymour Skinner. |
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Senther
Xtalk Drifter  Joined: 29 Jun 2006 Posts: 2296 Location: The Deadlights  votes: 42 View user's profile |
pedal2000 wrote: I suspect they've provided the information needed and provided forums for open discussion.
I lol'd. First at "suspect", then at the actual sentence. _________________ To avoid complications, she never kept the same address In conversation, she spoke just like a baroness |
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Yeah? You think the Union has an interest in actively hiding information from its members in order to force higher pay on them?  How horrible.
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pedal2000 wrote: Yeah? You think the Union has an interest in actively hiding information from its members in order to force higher pay on them?
How horrible.Unions are interested in increasing their own income, in the form of union dues. |
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Jimmy Big Ears
X-talk mobster Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 3256 Location: St. Francis Xavier University votes: 38 View user's profile |
Generally unions strike a balance between getting money for salaries, organizing and political activities and trying to make members feel the union is beneficial to them. The latter means not yanking union dues through the roof; if most people feel like de-certifying then management sure isn't going to stop them. Problems with unions tend to range from typical organizational problems (someone doesn't feel like doing a decent job in their union work in which case they can sometimes be voted out or fired) or in more extreme cases corruption, old-Teamsters style. This tends to involve criminals making sweetheart contracts for management kickbacks and/or threatening strikes to elicit kickbacks while siphoning money from funds or misusing it for other ventures. These can include things such as gambling or loan-shark cash; the '60's-70's Teamsters pension fund is a famous example. Major union problems generally have not involved gouging people on union dues. That doesn't mean people don't grumble, but I think treating union dues like they drives things for unions the way profit drives business is a mistake. _________________ "Ah, sleek vigilant puma. Principal of the mountains." -Seymour Skinner. |
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Mars wrote: pedal2000 wrote: Yeah? You think the Union has an interest in actively hiding information from its members in order to force higher pay on them?
How horrible.Unions are interested in increasing their own income, in the form of union dues. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA AHAHAHAHAHAHAH HAAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA Yes. That must be it. The dollar fifty or whatever it is that is subtracted from my several hundred dollar paycheck each week is most definitely out to be raised. Profit is not and never will be the driving motive of a properly run Union. Then again, I can see how one would be so suspicious of a Union whose Executive team is largely composed of volunteers. |
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pedal2000 wrote: Yes. That must be it. The dollar fifty or whatever it is that is subtracted from my several hundred dollar paycheck each week is most definitely out to be raised.
I'm a CUPE member but only work in a union position half the time and I still pay hundreds of dollars per year in union dues. If I made a six-figure salary that number would easily be into the thousands. I don't suspect CUPE (or StFXAUT) are out to make a profit, but the amount of $$$ in is significantly higher than what you are letting on. Higher salaries will almost certainly equal more revenue in union dues. |
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Jimmy Big Ears
X-talk mobster Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 3256 Location: St. Francis Xavier University votes: 38 View user's profile |
It's true. Union dues are not for profit, but they're not nothing. I'm generally pro-union inasmuch as I prefer union to non-union but the dues do have to be enough to pay for certain things. The upside of course is you get someone negotiating for better pay, benefits, etc., on your behalf; union workers make more after dues than non-union workers although that is affected by worker permanence and training. _________________ "Ah, sleek vigilant puma. Principal of the mountains." -Seymour Skinner. |
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Lance Uppercut wrote: pedal2000 wrote: Yes. That must be it. The dollar fifty or whatever it is that is subtracted from my several hundred dollar paycheck each week is most definitely out to be raised.
I'm a CUPE member but only work in a union position half the time and I still pay hundreds of dollars per year in union dues. If I made a six-figure salary that number would easily be into the thousands. I don't suspect CUPE (or StFXAUT) are out to make a profit, but the amount of $$$ in is significantly higher than what you are letting on. Higher salaries will almost certainly equal more revenue in union dues. Iz probably true, to be honest as long as I'm being paid about what I expect each paycheque from the 10 hours of work I do a week I don';t really bother worrying about it. |
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pedal2000 wrote: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA AHAHAHAHAHAHAH HAAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA
Yes. That must be it. The dollar fifty or whatever it is that is subtracted from my several hundred dollar paycheck each week is most definitely out to be raised. Profit is not and never will be the driving motive of a properly run Union. Then again, I can see how one would be so suspicious of a Union whose Executive team is largely composed of volunteers. Did I say it was the only motive behind union actions? I have a hard time thinking of any non-profit, renenue-raising organizations which don't have any impetus to increase revenue. |
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Jimmy Big Ears
X-talk mobster Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 3256 Location: St. Francis Xavier University votes: 38 View user's profile |
The union does have incentives not to raise dues, though, as I said. _________________ "Ah, sleek vigilant puma. Principal of the mountains." -Seymour Skinner. |
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Mars wrote: pedal2000 wrote: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA AHAHAHAHAHAHAH HAAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA
Yes. That must be it. The dollar fifty or whatever it is that is subtracted from my several hundred dollar paycheck each week is most definitely out to be raised. Profit is not and never will be the driving motive of a properly run Union. Then again, I can see how one would be so suspicious of a Union whose Executive team is largely composed of volunteers. Did I say it was the only motive behind union actions? I have a hard time thinking of any non-profit, renenue-raising organizations which don't have any impetus to increase revenue. Revenue != Profit. |
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pedal2000 wrote: Revenue != Profit.
Income != Profit. |
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Mars wrote: pedal2000 wrote: Revenue != Profit.
Income != Profit. In business, revenue or revenues is income that a company receives from its normal business activities, usually from the sale of goods and services to customers. In many countries, such as the United Kingdom, revenue is referred to as turnover. Some companies receive revenue from interest, dividends or royalties paid to them by other companies.[1] Revenue may refer to business income in general, or it may refer to the amount, in a monetary unit, received during a period of time, as in "Last year, Company X had revenue of $32 million." Profits or net income generally imply total revenue minus total expenses in a given period. |
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pedal2000 wrote: In business, revenue or revenues is income that a company receives from its normal business activities, usually from the sale of goods and services to customers. In many countries, such as the United Kingdom, revenue is referred to as turnover. Some companies receive revenue from interest, dividends or royalties paid to them by other companies.[1] Revenue may refer to business income in general, or it may refer to the amount, in a monetary unit, received during a period of time, as in "Last year, Company X had revenue of $32 million."
Profits or net income generally imply total revenue minus total expenses in a given period. It should be pretty obvious that I'm not referring to the profit of organizations that aren't allowed to have profit. You're picking at semantics which in no way affect my original point. |
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Except they don't technically make money. Unions don't 'have profit' they store/invest the money and pay out when there are strikes etc. No one is making off with billions in the StFXAUT. |
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I swear sometimes you guys argue over the dumbest shit ever... Get back on track. If you have some new information about the strike post it up. If not shut up about business that you know little to nothing about... Fack Who's going to the strike information thing with Sandy (president) is presenting about on monday? |
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Jimmy Big Ears
X-talk mobster Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 3256 Location: St. Francis Xavier University votes: 38 View user's profile |
Playonpics is right, you know; I don't know what inspired that last round. It would be good if someone could post the time and location of the presentation; I don't think I saw anything on the stfx website. _________________ "Ah, sleek vigilant puma. Principal of the mountains." -Seymour Skinner. |
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"The Students’ Union would like to invite you to a forum to discuss the current situation regarding the collective agreement negotiations between the StFX AUT and the StFX Administration. The aim of this forum is to better understand how we- as students- can pressure both parties to reach an agreement as soon as possible." ... "At this forum Sandy MacIntosh will be there to take questions and give students a better understanding of the process up to now and what we can look forward to in the coming days. This forum will be hosted on: Monday February 15th 2010 at 7PM in the KMC Conference Rooms which are located at the top of stairs from the KMC Café." _________________ My father believed that laughter was the best medicine...I guess that's why several of us died of tuberculosis. My computer beat me at chess... I beat it at kickboxing |
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Jimmy Big Ears
X-talk mobster Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 3256 Location: St. Francis Xavier University votes: 38 View user's profile |
Thanks, shirtless. We can't pressure either party, though. _________________ "Ah, sleek vigilant puma. Principal of the mountains." -Seymour Skinner. |
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