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Watch this before you get vaccinated!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mScGC7nFDxM I can respect that this is a pretty unlikely occurrence. But think of that poor girl's family, her ruined life. It's too sad to ignore really. One in a million is one thing, but this is one of those times when common wisdom like "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush" really beats statistics. Let's face it, if you're healthy, why assume you're going to get sick in the future (and get a shot?). |
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Senther
Xtalk Drifter  Joined: 29 Jun 2006 Posts: 2230 Location: The Deadlights    votes: 42 View user's profile |
In a rush, so I'll summarize. You sir, are and idiot :/ _________________ To avoid complications, she never kept the same address In conversation, she spoke just like a baroness |
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I don't advocate getting it unless you fall into a at-risk population like elderly or immune system problems where it could possibly be deadly _________________ My father believed that laughter was the best medicine...I guess that's why several of us died of tuberculosis. My computer beat me at chess... I beat it at kickboxing |
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Senther wrote: In a rush, so I'll summarize.
You sir, are and idiot :/ I see your respect for debate in medicine is as healthy as it is for global warming. i just hope you're not a philosophy major |
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Russia's greatest love machine  Joined: 09 Jul 2009 Posts: 664 Location: The wrong place  votes: 6 View user's profile |
I assume he's in one of the sciences, actually, which would explain why he seems to know a lot more than you do. Edit: Anyway, I'm not going to watch the video, because anybody who tells you not to get a vaccine is operating from a basis of superstition and fear of science. |
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Jimmy Big Ears
X-talk mobster  Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 3111 Location: St. Francis Xavier University  votes: 36 View user's profile |
I advocate getting the vaccine unless you'd be taking it away from someone who needs it more. The more people get the vaccine, the better. Play the odds, because unless they're with you they're usually against you. People are better off following professional medical advice. One thing I'm not sure about is why people think doctors don't look at possible adverse effects from new treatments or vaccines; it's one of the first things they look at. Take the doctors' advice: if you can get vaccinated, get the shot. Speaking of which, are they even offering the vaccine here to people who aren't elderly or otherwise more at-risk? _________________ " '... and I'm like, 'global warming? I thought this was a conference about chronic flatulence!' You see, they were talking about capping emissions, and..." http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1410 |
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Russia's greatest love machine Joined: 09 Jul 2009 Posts: 664 Location: The wrong place votes: 6 View user's profile |
Jimmy Big Ears wrote: People are better off following professional medical advice. One thing I'm not sure about is why people think doctors don't look at possible adverse effects from new treatments or vaccines; it's one of the first things they look at. The people who are opposed to it are generally religious. They're used to authority figures lying to them, and so refuse to understand that science does not work that way.
Jimmy Big Ears wrote: Take the doctors' advice: if you can get vaccinated, get the shot.
I think the regular flu shot is available at least. I'm not sure about H1N1.
Speaking of which, are they even offering the vaccine here to people who aren't elderly or otherwise more at-risk? |
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Jimmy Big Ears
X-talk mobster Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 3111 Location: St. Francis Xavier University votes: 36 View user's profile |
The people who are opposed to it are, without intending offense to anyone, mistaken. Nice attempt to inject religion into the debate, though; even the anti-transfusion people permit inoculations. The religion-focused thread, however, is down there. _________________ " '... and I'm like, 'global warming? I thought this was a conference about chronic flatulence!' You see, they were talking about capping emissions, and..." http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1410 |
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Russia's greatest love machine Joined: 09 Jul 2009 Posts: 664 Location: The wrong place votes: 6 View user's profile |
I didn't say it was doctrine, but I was answering your question. I'm sorry you didn't like my answer, but I've never met an anti-vaccine person who wasn't either an idiot or a significantly religious person. |
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One in hundreds of millions of people vaccinated does not show a causal link to dystonia. It's a coincidence. If it gave me dystonia, I'd buy a lottery ticket. Then probably a few ounces of weed to smooth out the symptoms. |
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armin.van.buuren wrote: One in hundreds of millions of people vaccinated does not show a causal link to dystonia. It's a coincidence.
If it gave me dystonia, I'd buy a lottery ticket. Then probably a few ounces of weed to smooth out the symptoms. This isn't about causal links. I just wanted people to think critically about vaccines and what their doctors say. Doctors are not right about everything, and even if they say vaccines don't cause dystonia or autism, there's cases like this that prove them wrong. I don't claim to have all the answers, and it is still your own choice to get a shot, and I can respect that. But at the same time, you need to recognize that there are clearly cases like this where vaccination causes very serious side effects. |
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Russia's greatest love machine Joined: 09 Jul 2009 Posts: 664 Location: The wrong place votes: 6 View user's profile |
Or one out of the millions who are vaccinated gets ill around the same time they get their shot, and falsely attribute the illness to the vaccination. |
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Listen carefully, if there is no causal link, the vaccine didn't cause the dystonia. And therefore your argument doesn't hold any water. If there was a causal link, then yes, it would be a good idea to consider the facts. But in this case there aren't any facts, it's just hearsay paranoia. Dystonia could be caused by a multitude of other things, usually a genetic predisposition. But also many things doctors won't necessarily know about from their patients, like the occasional dabbling in amphetamines or E. |
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Jimmy Big Ears wrote: Speaking of which, are they even offering the vaccine here to people who aren't elderly or otherwise more at-risk? Alright; H1N1 Facts: A. Vaccines are now becoming available in all provinces. They are immunizing Pregnant Women, Elderly, and Children first (along with the obvious, Doctors, Nurses, Healthcare professionals, emergency responders etc) B. They are asking healthy individuals to wait for a week or two to get immunized because this initial wave is relatively small (all nations want to get their main people vaccinated) and production will ramp up as the month goes on with enough for everyone within a week or two. C. H1N1 can be mild. H1N1 can kill you. Although the chance of death is low, it is, surprisingly, higher than any possible risk coming from the Vaccine. D. People who do not get vaccinated are more likely to allow H1N1 to become a pandemic. IE: They put people around them at risk, there is a threshold (Although I don't know what it is) that needs to be vaccinated for the threat of epidemic level problems to significantly decrease. E. Two shots are required for children, 1 is required for adults. F. Studies have shown that if you get the regular flu shot, the H1N1 is slightly less effective, some provinces have suggested you get teh H1N1 beforehand because of this. G. Surprisingly with H1N1 there is an additional at risk group. Us, specifically, Teenagers and Healthy Young Adults whose immune systems are strong - this is because the virus (can) cause the immune system to kick into overdrive, leading to a situation where you essentially 'burn yourself out'. Quote: This isn't about causal links. I just wanted people to think critically about vaccines and what their doctors say. Doctors are not right about everything, and even if they say vaccines don't cause dystonia or autism, there's cases like this that prove them wrong. I don't claim to have all the answers, and it is still your own choice to get a shot, and I can respect that. But at the same time, you need to recognize that there are clearly cases like this where vaccination causes very serious side effects.
This is about Vaccines being safe 999,999+ times with the occasional side effect. If that is the cost of protecting the Human race from untold millions of deaths, then I would say suck it up and do it. You're right, Doctor's aren't always right - but in this case, especially when you claim that this single case 'proves doctors wrong' there is someone I know is right. Senther wrote: In a rush, so I'll summarize. You sir, are and idiot :/ |
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aspie jew stereotype wrote: This isn't about causal links. I just wanted people to think critically about vaccines and what their doctors say. Doctors are not right about everything, and even if they say vaccines don't cause dystonia or autism, there's cases like this that prove them wrong.
That is the most idiotic thing I've ever read on this board. And trust me, there have been some doozies. |
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If you disagree with my opinions that's fine, I can respect that. But don't deliberatly misquote me and remove the part where I said I didnt have all the answers. You're basically accusing me of claiming to have all the answers, when I very clearly said I didn't. Again, there's a lot of different opinions about whether vaccines cause autism or dystonia or anyhting else. We should at the least respect other people's opinions on the matter. |
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Russia's greatest love machine Joined: 09 Jul 2009 Posts: 664 Location: The wrong place votes: 6 View user's profile |
One should never respect an uninformed opinion. |
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No, we're not saying you have all the answers. The fact is your opinion is not only wrong, in this case, it is incredibly dangerous. There aren't a lot of different opinions, it fundamentally comes down to "Science" versus "Why should I get this when I'm still healthy?" The more people who chose not to get vaccination, the higher the risk for the entire society. Here is a question for you. Which is better, 1 million people dead from a preventable disease; or say, 3000 people dead and 20 with autism, dystonia, or otherwise. Take your pick Aspie. I'm open to hearing your 'opinion' on why 1 million people should die for your ignorance. |
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Ok I'm just about done with this thread. What makes you think my opinion is uninformed? I'm not a biologist, but you don't need to be a scientist to understand basic common sense. As I said earlier, if you're healthy and things are working, why risk it wiht a vaccine? That's basic, but it's true. |
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pedal2000 wrote: No, we're not saying you have all the answers. The fact is your opinion is not only wrong, in this case, it is incredibly dangerous.
There aren't a lot of different opinions, it fundamentally comes down to "Science" versus "Why should I get this when I'm still healthy?" The more people who chose not to get vaccination, the higher the risk for the entire society. Here is a question for you. Which is better, 1 million people dead from a preventable disease; or say, 3000 people dead and 20 with autism, dystonia, or otherwise. Take your pick Aspie. I'm open to hearing your 'opinion' on why 1 million people should die for your ignorance. Look I don't want to argue numbers and statistics here. It's true that the flu is bad and can kill some people. But what would you tell the person who got dystonia from a vaccine that they could have skipped (as a healthy young person)? |
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