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Hey guys, what are your tips for choosing a major?



 
 
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Tips? I guess if you have any idea of what you want to do after school, take something that will help you achieve it. Major in something you like.

If you're stuck between two things, or even generally, check the pre-reqs for upper-level courses and any degree requirements. Make sure that those are courses that you aren't likely to fail, ie don't take a Chemistry degree if you genuinely don't think you can pass Physics 100.

If there is one you're thinking about, go talk to the chair of the department about it. They have a ton of knowledge and are generally quite helpful. You'll need to talk to them next semester anyway in the process of declaring your major.



 
 
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My advice is pick something you're comfortable with. This is not the same as abstract interest in a subject. I'm fascinated by animals, dinosaurs, jellyfish and nature in general but I didn't like biology that much because it involved memorizing tons of digestive chemicals for every fascinating item about physiology. Likewise, learning about microbes involves not only the ability to marvel at their ancientness and structure but also to remember hundreds of facts about their food, acidity tolerance or whatever that seem much less interesting to me since those lists are often quite removed from the structures they were attached to/part of. In short: pick something you both find interesting in its subject material and like the mechanics of doing on an everyday basis; just the first one simply doesn't cut it. Usually if both of those are there you're in something you're not bad at.



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Also, you can change your major if you want to. You don't have to think of this as a binding decision that's going to control the rest of your life.



 
 
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Jimmy Big Ears wrote:
Likewise, learning about microbes involves not only the ability to marvel at their ancientness and structure but also to remember hundreds of facts about their food, acidity tolerance or whatever that seem much less interesting to me since those lists are often quite removed from the structures they were attached to/part of.


Ah, but if you can figure out why a structure might be advantageous to a feeding strategy or acidity tolerance, that's when it really gets interesting...
Bio major, kinda too enthusiastic sometimes, I love that part of it though.

Yes, pick something you like, but not just because you like it. I like music a whole lot, but I don't want to learn about its stylistic history and the technical stuff. I like reading fiction but don't want to spend hours nitpicking over every little phrase and possible meaning. Hopefully you've taken a class already that you liked a lot, and liked most of the aspects of it, because that can be really helpful.



 
 
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Exactly. You had the characteristics necessary for a bio major, I didn't.
I hear you on the phrase/meaning stuff - that overdissection is what ruled out English for me.

You also weigh the practical vs the nonpractical while remembering it's still often better to do well in something that seems less practical than so-so in something more practical. It does make a major difference to have a degree, so this is a pretty important process.



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Jimmy Big Ears wrote:
My advice is pick something you're comfortable with. This is not the same as abstract interest in a subject. I'm fascinated by animals, dinosaurs, jellyfish and nature in general but I didn't like biology that much because it involved memorizing tons of digestive chemicals for every fascinating item about physiology. Likewise, learning about microbes involves not only the ability to marvel at their ancientness and structure but also to remember hundreds of facts about their food, acidity tolerance or whatever that seem much less interesting to me since those lists are often quite removed from the structures they were attached to/part of. In short: pick something you both find interesting in its subject material and like the mechanics of doing on an everyday basis; just the first one simply doesn't cut it. Usually if both of those are there you're in something you're not bad at.


I disagree. Do what you are interested in (you may not necessarily be a natural at it yet) despite whatever struggles you have to go through. At the end of your life, would you rather have studied things you were passionate about or just did what was easy for you?

PS, Jimmy, if those are your thoughts on biology courses than I think you were missing the point...



 
 
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I don't think it is really fair to say that Jimmy was just taking the easy way out. I too started in Biology and I actually felt like I was pretty interested in it. Actually proceeding with the courses was something different entirely as I did not find memorizing structures of microbes to be as interesting of other aspects of biology.

For some people, they are totally in to it and this aspect does not hurt thier interest in the subject but for others we just figure that that may not be the way we should go. I agree with Jimmy on this one. It's not about taking the easiest course, comfort may have been a bad word to use. I just mean that some people are better at certain things. I have friends who kicked my ass in Bio because no matter how hard I worked I just didn't enjoy it even though I was very interested in aspects of it. I've switched to a major that has more of a math and logic component and realized that is where I should be because I am both interested in it and my brain is good at processing that kind of information.

As for choosing a major you should really look at where you want to be when you leave St.F.X. If you are in business this makes things easy because the majors are very differentiated, for example someone who wants to be an accountant will not likely choose marketing as a major. If you want to be a biologist this also makes the decision quite easy, however, it becomes more difficult when you want to be something that has a few differnt paths to get there such as law or education. If this is the case I would just pick what you like the best and that works best for you, maybe talk to some professors that you respect. It is important to do your research however. For example, education requires you to have certain teachables. Make sure that you are not doing a major that will inhibit you from being a good candidate to apply for education because it is very competitive and it would suck to get a degree to find out that you do not have the teachables to even apply for the program.

If yu don't know what you want to do after graduation just take the course that you enjoy and feel is best for you. Sometimes you discover career paths just from learning more about the subject and seeing what is actually out there, instead of the "doctor, lawyer, teacher" careers that you learn about as a kid.

I had a friend that wanted to get into law and so went with sociology and a minor in psych and after learning more about it she wanted to be a drug councilor for teens.



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Chinese food restaurant or Banker.

Lawyer could work I guess.



 
 
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Thanks everyone, these were really valid concerns.

I've always had a keen interest in history, but I also enjoy religious studies and earth sciences. So it's a bit of a tossup for me.

Realistically speaking I think I'll choose history, because I plan on becoming either a history professor or a history teacher. This in itself is a hard choice because I know you need to really know your stuff to be a prof, but you also get payed more, so it's probably good to balance out. Also university classes are a lot more flexible, so you can get into a lot more stimulating debates with students (one of my fav parts of history and religious studies so far). So I dunno.

What should I take if I want to become a history professor?



 
 
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Honours history. When you declare your major, you should look at the calendar and get the requirements for that, fill those in with courses you think look interesting, and then go talk to someone in the department about it.



 
 
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I recommend making sure you have enough for the BEd program, then filling what's left with History. It's much safer than taking honours at the cost of diversifying, then finding you can't get in if you decide on being a teacher.

I don't know much about MA/PhD programs in History, but if it's like most graduate programs, it's likely possible that you can get in without an honours degree if you are a really good student. Even if it makes it difficult that you'll get in to your MA, I think focusing on meeting the BEd requirements before loading up on History is the right choice. If you're good enough for graduate work, you'll get it. If you aren't, it's better that you didn't close other doors.

And since you see it as a "toss-up", I think shooting for the BEd (while focusing electives on History) allows you the most options, plays the odds (no offence meant) and allows for more exposure to other subjects (which might let you find something you're more sure about).



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I think Holly had some good points. For me, there are two reasons to major in a subject. One is because you want to. If something interests you, then it's enjoyable to study and you will want to do well at it. The other reason is that it takes you where you want to go. Make sure that, if you have even a vague idea of what you want to do after X, you set yourself up for it. That means finding out what is required for that career, and getting it. That's not just courses, or even programs. It may be that some volunteer or summer job experience is useful. Talk to people in that area, and to the admissions people at the schools to which you might apply. Bite the bullet and take the required course that you don't really want to take. You wouldn't believe the number of people I've seen who change their career plans just to avoid taking a single course (yes, usually it's first year physics).
Ideally, the program you enjoy will also get you where you want to go, of course. Talk to profs in the departments whose courses interest you. Think about joint programs (but do that early, they can be difficult to schedule). Talk to recent alumni and upper year students in those departments. But, in the end, there's usually the requirement to make a decision based not entirely on logic. Sometimes, you just have to jump in.



 
 
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I recommend making sure you have enough for the BEd program, then filling what's left with History. It's much safer than taking honours at the cost of diversifying, then finding you can't get in if you decide on being a teacher.

I don't know much about MA/PhD programs in History, but if it's like most graduate programs, it's likely possible that you can get in without an honours degree if you are a really good student. Even if it makes it difficult that you'll get in to your MA, I think focusing on meeting the BEd requirements before loading up on History is the right choice. If you're good enough for graduate work, you'll get it. If you aren't, it's better that you didn't close other doors.

And since you see it as a "toss-up", I think shooting for the BEd (while focusing electives on History) allows you the most options, plays the odds (no offence meant) and allows for more exposure to other subjects (which might let you find something you're more sure about).


I would agree with this. Same goes for any professional degree like med school, law, etc. I think they are looking for well-rounded students. I'm not sure about history grad programs either, but I think the most important thing to figure out before applying is what you are truly passionate about. Knowing that before you start and having a solid grade in the course will look good to potential supervisors. Showing you have academic writing and research skills helps too and doing an honours is the most convenient way to show that on paper.



 
 
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holly1416 wrote:
I don't think it is really fair to say that Jimmy was just taking the easy way out. I too started in Biology and I actually felt like I was pretty interested in it. Actually proceeding with the courses was something different entirely as I did not find memorizing structures of microbes to be as interesting of other aspects of biology.


Well, that's not really the spirit of what I was trying to say. What I was trying to get at is that I think you will be more satisfied in the end if you tough out the crappy parts to study something you are passionate about. Someone might get higher grades something else but if they aren't as passionate about it then who cares?



 
 
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holly1416 wrote:
For some people, they are totally in to it and this aspect does not hurt thier interest in the subject but for others we just figure that that may not be the way we should go. I agree with Jimmy on this one. It's not about taking the easiest course, comfort may have been a bad word to use. I just mean that some people are better at certain things. I have friends who kicked my ass in Bio because no matter how hard I worked I just didn't enjoy it even though I was very interested in aspects of it. I've switched to a major that has more of a math and logic component and realized that is where I should be because I am both interested in it and my brain is good at processing that kind of information...Sometimes you discover career paths just from learning more about the subject and seeing what is actually out there, instead of the "doctor, lawyer, teacher" careers that you learn about as a kid.
Agreed: why is it that we hear the same examples so often? Teacher. Doctor. Police officer. Salesman. Not many people bring up something like licensed welder, which is what my cousin does in the oil fields. I think there should be a master database of careers available somewhere. (EDIT for concision here). I've never seen a decently comprehensive listing ever. I have a friend with a good career as an airplane mechanic (they're well trained and paid) but that wouldn't make many people's lists.

I think this (holly's post above ) is a very cerebral, analytical and well thought out post. One point that is dead-bang on is the phrase 'my brain is good at processing that kind of information'. In any subject there is combination of a few different kinds of analysis, mental processing, processing speed, memory skills and so on necessary to excel in it. If you have good math skills but aren't as good as committing to memory and processing lists of written facts (omitting scientific formulas) you would be a better fit for math or physics than biology. I can understand mathematical stuff if given time to chew it over, which you aren't at this level (my processing speed - which is an ability that is measured in tests - is below average). Accounting I was good at: the skills it requires include competence with numbers and concrete numerical data, analytical abilities within a certain logical system and memorization & processing ability for a logical (but verbally expressed) and extensive rule set.


I appreciate what you said holly - thanks. @MMM, what you're saying is essentially true. What I meant was that while it's common for someone to have a subject easier for them than their favourite they still generally tend to do better in their favourite courses. At least that has been my experience anyway, both for myself and for the people I know. Difficulty plays a rather smaller role in success than a number of other factors. I did much better in some fairly tough accounting courses than the easier (but to me less interesting) marketing course.

Regarding comfort I simply mean being at ease to a certain extent with the mechanical ordinary processes of a subject, something not to be confused with being unchallenged. For example I love reading, I read a lot and I have good reading skills. If I am talking about a book I can analyze it. Would I be a good English student? No; I was a terrible English student. I hated writing English papers and I particularly hated having to write them on cue whether I had an argument in my head that I believed or not. I was interested in the subject material but had a lousy comfort level with the type of work, and I would never have been able to overcome this sufficiently to be a good English student.



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MichaelMichaelMotorcycle wrote:
holly1416 wrote:
I don't think it is really fair to say that Jimmy was just taking the easy way out. I too started in Biology and I actually felt like I was pretty interested in it. Actually proceeding with the courses was something different entirely as I did not find memorizing structures of microbes to be as interesting of other aspects of biology.


Well, that's not really the spirit of what I was trying to say. What I was trying to get at is that I think you will be more satisfied in the end if you tough out the crappy parts to study something you are passionate about. Someone might get higher grades something else but if they aren't as passionate about it then who cares?


I agree. Passion will get you through the shittiest classes, and will make you successful when you graduate as well.



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Chesty LaRue wrote:
MichaelMichaelMotorcycle wrote:
holly1416 wrote:
I don't think it is really fair to say that Jimmy was just taking the easy way out. I too started in Biology and I actually felt like I was pretty interested in it. Actually proceeding with the courses was something different entirely as I did not find memorizing structures of microbes to be as interesting of other aspects of biology.


Well, that's not really the spirit of what I was trying to say. What I was trying to get at is that I think you will be more satisfied in the end if you tough out the crappy parts to study something you are passionate about. Someone might get higher grades something else but if they aren't as passionate about it then who cares?


I agree. Passion Facebook will get you through the shittiest classes, and will make you successful when you graduate as well.



 

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